Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: Wednesday Quick Hits

Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: Wednesday Quick Hits
- bmeltzer

Re Flyers vs Rags in your blog, I think you mean 1995 not 1985

I was at that game and remember leetch scoring a hat trick for the rags, some bumhole ranger fan threw a hat on the ice after they had just finished cleaning up the few that were thrown.

hey was just wondering .... R.J Umberger has apparently requested a trade if Columbus picked up part of his salary would he be a better choice than say Ty Mcginn or another call up he was a great player for us and we lost him due to salary cap constraints...i no his numbers have declined a little.... but he still could be an affective 3rd or 4th line player depending on how much salary Columbus picked up....just a thought

hey was just wondering .... R.J Umberger has apparently requested a trade if Columbus picked up part of his salary would he be a better choice than say Ty Mcginn or another call up he was a great player for us and we lost him due to salary cap constraints...i no his numbers have declined a little.... but he still could be an affective 3rd or 4th line player depending on how much salary Columbus picked up....just a thought
- flyer186

He's got a $4.6mm cap hit for 3 more seasons. My guess would be Columbus uses a CBO on him. Why trade him for a 4th rounder and eat cap when you can buy him out cap free?

He's got a $4.6mm cap hit for 3 more seasons. My guess would be Columbus uses a CBO on him. Why trade him for a 4th rounder and eat cap when you can buy him out cap free?
- Jsaquella

good point ....

He's got a $4.6mm cap hit for 3 more seasons. My guess would be Columbus uses a CBO on him. Why trade him for a 4th rounder and eat cap when you can buy him out cap free?
- Jsaquella

I agree. I like RJ and think he could be a solid 3rd line winger with Couts and Read. But he is also injured a lot and the money would have to be way less then the 4.6 he was getting and i think someone else would pay him closer to what he wants then the Flyers. But never know since he did play well in philly.

I agree. I like RJ and think he could be a solid 3rd line winger with Couts and Read. But he is also injured a lot and the money would have to be way less then the 4.6 he was getting and i think someone else would pay him closer to what he wants then the Flyers. But never know since he did play well in philly.
- J35Bacher

Where is all of this "injured a lot" coming from? Not just you, but from all over. The guy has missed 17 games over the last 6 seasons.

Otherwise, I agree. His production is probably at a 15/20/35 type, but if he could be had for under $2M, might not be a bad bottom-6 pickup who can slide up if need be. But he'll probably get an offer around $2.5M, and I'm not sure if there's any bad feelings on his end with the Flyers, as he was given the "Thanks for all the good times, don't let the door hit you in the ass," treatment. It was a cap thing, but still, I would have preferred him over Lupul (who did end up as part of netting us Pronger).

He's got a $4.6mm cap hit for 3 more seasons. My guess would be Columbus uses a CBO on him. Why trade him for a 4th rounder and eat cap when you can buy him out cap free?
- Jsaquella

Good. Maybe we can bring him home to be an option in the bottom 6 for about 1.5? Does he have any wheels left? Maybe he fits with coots and read

Where is all of this "injured a lot" coming from? Not just you, but from all over. The guy has missed 17 games over the last 6 seasons.

Otherwise, I agree. His production is probably at a 15/20/35 type, but if he could be had for under $2M, might not be a bad bottom-6 pickup who can slide up if need be. But he'll probably get an offer around $2.5M, and I'm not sure if there's any bad feelings on his end with the Flyers, as he was given the "Thanks for all the good times, don't let the door hit you in the ass," treatment. It was a cap thing, but still, I would have preferred him over Lupul (who did end up as part of netting us Pronger).
- jmatchett383

Only problem is it doesn't address the speed issue Hexy has referenced.

Where is all of this "injured a lot" coming from? Not just you, but from all over. The guy has missed 17 games over the last 6 seasons.

Otherwise, I agree. His production is probably at a 15/20/35 type, but if he could be had for under $2M, might not be a bad bottom-6 pickup who can slide up if need be. But he'll probably get an offer around $2.5M, and I'm not sure if there's any bad feelings on his end with the Flyers, as he was given the "Thanks for all the good times, don't let the door hit you in the ass," treatment. It was a cap thing, but still, I would have preferred him over Lupul (who did end up as part of netting us Pronger).
- jmatchett383

I actually thought they did Umberger a solid trading him to a place like Columbus, where he'd get ice time and that he was familiar with the environs (He's a Western PA kid who went to Ohio State in Columbus). I could be misremembering, however.

I actually thought they did Umberger a solid trading him to a place like Columbus, where he'd get ice time and that he was familiar with the environs (He's a Western PA kid who went to Ohio State in Columbus). I could be misremembering, however.
- johndewar

Money and opportunity trump sour feelings. If he gets the money and chance he wants he would sign. Say the Flyers offered him 3mil a season and was slotted to play third line with Couts and Read you t he turns it down because they traded him? If the money and ice time are right players will sign. Players don't turn down jobs because they think they were wronged.

Money and opportunity trump sour feelings. If he gets the money and chance he wants he would sign. Say the Flyers offered him 3mil a season and was slotted to play third line with Couts and Read you t he turns it down because they traded him? If the money and ice time are right players will sign. Players don't turn down jobs because they think they were wronged.
- J35Bacher

Money isn't everything when it comes to feelings...unless Ryan Suter and Zach Parise are actually signed with the Flyers and they Flyers are just letting them play with Minnesota because they're nice.

Again, I don't know if there were any feelings either way. Just throwing it out there.

And I still am wondering where this "Umberger is injured a lot" stuff is coming from. My guess is Panotch.

I actually thought they did Umberger a solid trading him to a place like Columbus, where he'd get ice time and that he was familiar with the environs (He's a Western PA kid who went to Ohio State in Columbus). I could be misremembering, however.
- johndewar

You know...it wasn't all that bad of a trade, when it comes down to it. They picked Sbisa (RUSHED!!!) who was of course part of the Pronger trade, and MAB, who would probably be in our top-6 if not for injuries. They could have done worse (see: 1st rounder for Eminger).

I think Umberger's best days are behind him.
The Flyers really need to clear out some salary (and older vets) and not add any more higher priced aging guys. Just my opinion.

I think Umberger's best days are behind him.
The Flyers really need to clear out some salary (and older vets) and not add any more higher priced aging guys. Just my opinion.
- Marc D

Agree, I liked RJ but I think Hexy is looking for younger faster players...at least I hope is. We got our veteran buyout last year with Vinny.

Money isn't everything when it comes to feelings...unless Ryan Suter and Zach Parise are actually signed with the Flyers and they Flyers are just letting them play with Minnesota because they're nice.

Again, I don't know if there were any feelings either way. Just throwing it out there.

And I still am wondering where this "Umberger is injured a lot" stuff is coming from. My guess is Panotch.
- jmatchett383

To be fair the money those two got was way different then money RJ would get. Yes we offered more but it wasn't like they were taking a giant pay cut to go play in Minnesota. When it is that type of money it is different. And they knew they were getting paid no matter where they went. A guy like RJ is getting limited on oppurtunites.

I think Umberger's best days are behind him.
The Flyers really need to clear out some salary (and older vets) and not add any more higher priced aging guys. Just my opinion.
- Marc D

Oh I completly agree. I would rather spend the money on a guy like Mason Raymond. He can move up and down the lineup and can fly.

I think Umberger's best days are behind him.
The Flyers really need to clear out some salary (and older vets) and not add any more higher priced aging guys. Just my opinion.
- Marc D

The impression Hextall left (at least, from what I've read/heard) is younger, faster, cheaper.

Poll of the day:

Who wins a championship first? The Flyers or the Sixers

So there are some interesting RFAs out there. I wonder if a deal could be made with any of there teams or if any won't get QO. Cuold be a decent player that is young to take a chance on and they can all move up and down the lineup or be a good risk on the back end. Guys like:

Tim Erixon
Zack Kassian
Michael Del Zotto
Marcus Foligno
Chris Tanev
Sami Vatenan
Brett Conolly
Carter Ashton
Mattias Ekholm
Zach Trotman
Jeremy Morin
Matt Frattin
Dylan Olsen
Tommy Wingles
Dwight King
Antoine Roussel

Poll of the day:

Who wins a championship first? The Flyers or the Sixers
- PhillaBully

I couldn't go through what the Sixers are going through, just to win.

For some people, I realize that doesn't matter. But I believe in the process, don't believe in tanking.

Poll of the day:

Who wins a championship first? The Flyers or the Sixers
- PhillaBully

Flyers, but I like the direction of the sixers too

I couldn't go through what the Sixers are going through, just to win.

For some people, I realize that doesn't matter. But I believe in the process, don't believe in tanking.
- AllInForFlyers

If they didn't tank, they wouldn't have ended up with a top 3 pick in a strong draft if they didn't tank

If they didn't tank, they wouldn't have ended up with a top 3 pick in a strong draft if they didn't tank
- PhillySportsGuy

Again, I'm not saying that it doesn't make sense -- for them, and some fans, it does.

But personally, I think the entire drafting process is an abomination. Teams shouldn't be rewarded for being awful. Teams shouldn't be penalized for being good. All teams in the hopper, one ball picked until complete. That's your draft order.

That's just me. What, the Cavaliers have picked first three times in four years? Same with the Oilers?

Ridiculous, to me.